Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Samuels-Thomas

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The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 12:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Samuels-Thomas

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Seventh round pick who has not played in the NHL and has played far too few AHL games to be notable per WP:NHOCKEY. Tchaliburton (talk) 09:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, for now. While the likelihood of Samuels-Thomas actually reaching the notability threshold is pretty good, he hasn't reached it quite yet, and it's not yet certain that he will reach that figure. (Ideally, the article could be mothballed until he reaches the threshold so that we don't lose the content, but I don't think Wikipedia has a way of doing that.) J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 17:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Generally an admin who edits hockey articles undeletes articles in this situation when they meet notability thresholds. -DJSasso (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete NN player and sourced to four blogs and a trivial mention. The (now blocked) article creator knew better, of course, but never cared. And now the clean-up begins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Resolute (talk • contribs)
Keep as a WP:GNG pass. Sources found and added to article. Ejgreen77 (talk) 02:31, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He currently fails WP:NHOCKEY. Deadman137 (talk) 20:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mr.Z-man 22:22, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He fails WP:NHOCKEY and routine sports coverage isn't enough to show he meets WP:GNG. Jakejr (talk) 03:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Has anyone here actually bothered to look at the sources? There are multiple feature articles from multiple major regional news providers in the Northeast US here. Remember, WP:GNG trumps WP:NHOCKEY. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the articles that were added and he still doesn't qualify. Two of the articles talk about his trade to and signing with Buffalo, another talks about his play this season in the AHL and the other talks about his time playing in college (we could find many similar articles for major junior players in Canada and they still wouldn't be notable).

His only claim to fame is being a hockey player and that is what he should be judged on. At this time he does not meet the notability requirements. Deadman137 (talk) 05:44, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notability ≠ fame. This is a common misconception on Wikipedia. In order to be notable, a person does not have to be famous "for" anything, rather, according to WP:GNG, they must be the subject of "significant coverage" in "reliable, independent" sources. The articles referenced are not box scores or routine transaction reports, rather they are in-depth feature articles, discussing Samuels-Thomas at length, his background, his career, his playing style, and his professional prospects. The three main publications referenced, the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, The Buffalo News, and the Connecticut Post are all certainly reliable sources (all three are major regional news providers in three different media markets in the Northeast US), and they are all certainly independent of the subject, thus Samuels-Thomas has been the subject of "significant coverage" in "reliable, independent" sources, and thus WP:GNG has been met. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Elsberry, Chris (2013-04-12). "Quinnipiac's Samuels-Thomas big presence on the ice". Connecticut Post. Archived from the original on 2014-12-31. Retrieved 2014-12-31.
  The article notes:
  
  In the Quinnipiac locker room, Jordan Samuels-Thomas does his best to keep a low profile. Forget about wanting to be the center of attention. He doesn't pull pranks, doesn't joke around. In fact, there are times when he barely makes a sound.
  "I just sit there and keep my head down," he says.
  On the ice, however. That's a different story.
  "He plays big man hockey," defenseman Zach Davies said.
  At 6-foot-4, Samuels-Thomas, who was born in West Hartford and grew up in Windsor, is almost impossible to hide. And that's fine. His role is to be in the middle of it all. Just look toward the net, that's usually where you'll find the player his teammates call Gator.
2. Gordon, Kevin (2011-04-05). "Samuels-Thomas won't return to Falcons". Sentinel-Tribune. Bowling Green, Ohio. Archived from the original on 2014-12-31. Retrieved 2014-12-31.
  The article notes:
  
  Sophomore forward Jordan Samuels-Thomas won’t return to the Bowling Green Falcon hockey team next season, coach Chris Bergeron said Tuesday afternoon.
  The 6-foot-3, 198-pound wing has been the team’s leading scorer in each of his two seasons, totaling 46 points in 71 games. He had 20 goals and 26 assists in his two seasons at BG.
This is in addition to the sources Ejgreen77 (talk · contribs) has already added to the article:
1. "Amerks' Samuels-Thomas making his mark". Democrat and Chronicle. November 4, 2014. Archived from the original on 2014-12-31. Retrieved 2014-12-15. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
2. "Sabres' prospect Samuels-Thomas seen as a good fit". The Buffalo News. July 15, 2014. Archived from the original on 2014-12-31. Retrieved 2014-12-15. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
3. "Sabres Trade For Jordan Samuels-Thomas". Time Warner Cable News. July 9, 2014. Archived from the original on 2014-12-31. Retrieved 2014-12-15.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Jordan Samuels-Thomas to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 04:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Several proponents of deletion note that the subject fails WP:NHOCKEY, which redirects to Wikipedia:Notability (sports).
Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Applicable policies and guidelines says:
Subjects that do not meet the sport-specific criteria outlined in this guideline may still be notable if they meet the General Notability Guideline or another subject specific notability guideline.
Because the subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, this article should be kept.
Cunard (talk) 04:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

See a similar case of an athlete passing Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and failing his sport's subsection of Wikipedia:Notability (sports) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zach Collier and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 December 20#Zach Collier. Cunard (talk) 04:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as passes the main notability guideline, taking precedence over the subject specific guidelines. The coverage in multiple reliable sources easily meets the main notability guideline such as in this article. Davewild (talk) 11:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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